Sunday, December 26, 2010


In a church talk today someone quoted a scripture from 2 Nephi. It's chapter 32 vs 13.

It reads
" 13Wherefore, my beloved brethren, I know that if ye shall afollow the Son, with full purpose of heart, acting no bhypocrisy and no deception before God, but with real cintent, repenting of your sins, witnessing unto the Father that ye are dwilling to take upon you the ename of Christ, by fbaptism—yea, by following your Lord and your Savior down into the water, according to his word, behold, then shall ye receive the Holy Ghost; yea, then cometh the gbaptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost; and then can ye speak with the htongue of angels, and shout praises unto the Holy One of Israel."

The speaker in the first line replaced "Son", with "the prophet". It then read: "I know that if ye shall follow the prophet, with full purpose of heart, acting no hypocrisy..."

I'm pretty sure Nephi didn't mess up when he wrote his words. He took the time to etch his words in metal plates using something like a chisel. I think we should read what it says since it took great effort for him to choose and record his words.

Replacing Christ with something or someone else to me is plain and very simply not good doctrine. My view of course.


  1. Seems fine to me. It's a bit like the way people "liken the scriptures unto themselves" by putting their own name in for someone else's.

    Remember, the Prophet is Jesus Christ's representative here on the earth and according to Official Declaration #1 the Lord will not allow the President of the Church to lead us astray.

  2. I think there is a fundamental difference between likening the scriptures unto ourselves, and replacing the actual Son of God with a representative when it was the actual Son of God that the scripture intended. It makes what was intended to be direct into something a degree removed.

    I see that representatives are a fundamental element to the entire Gospel. What I think is misleading is when people stop seeking God himself, nor even feel a need to, because representatives become a replacement (as mentioned in the original post). I've always understood a main purpose of a prophet was to lead people to Christ. Staying focused on the representatives to me stops short of the full prophetic purpose.

    If I put my name in place Laman, or Lemuel, or Nephi and notice where I'm more like Lamen than Nephi in my approach to faith....that (among countless others) sounds like likening scriptures to myself. Replacing the central character with servants however personally strikes me as very different. It changes the meaning. If your interested, here's why I think that.

    Nephi states that the Holy one of Israel is the keeper of the gate and employeth no servant there (2 Nephi 9:41). Therefore to replace the keeper of the gate with a servant in scripture is in my view not leading to, nor will qualify for entrance through that gate. I think that's why Nephi says to follow Christ and not to follow himself even though he was a prophet. Doctrine and Covenants 76:100-101 I think is helpful on this topic as well. According to that scripture it's possible to be a follower of any number of representatives (Elias, Moses, John etc) yet not receive the Gospel or the Testimony of Jesus.

    I listen to the leaders council, and do what they say as best I'm able. I want the prophetic calls and missions to succeed. My view is not because I have trouble being obedient. Quite the contrary. This view is a result of trying to draw near unto God because the scriptures promise that such things are available and that God is no respecter of persons.

    Thanks for sharing your view. I'm better each time someone has a different viewpoint than myself. I'm not put off by people who disagree, so feel free to share anytime.